tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12175305.post114462444571969612..comments2023-10-17T11:26:02.896-05:00Comments on Matthew A. C. Newsome: Happy Tartan Day!Matthew Newsome, FSA Scot, GTShttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15512402194674318196noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12175305.post-1145283839077761432006-04-17T09:23:00.000-05:002006-04-17T09:23:00.000-05:00Note: Boniface quote from Macintosh, John. Histori...Note: Boniface quote from Macintosh, John. Historic Earls and Earldoms of Scotland - Chapter II - Earldom and Earls of Buchan. Electric Scotland. Second quote from Oestreich, p. 665Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12175305.post-1145277315429539762006-04-17T07:35:00.000-05:002006-04-17T07:35:00.000-05:00Yes, interesting exchanges were made between Pope ...Yes, interesting exchanges were made between Pope Boniface VIII and King Edward I.<BR/><BR/>In reference to a claim of overlordship by Edward, Pope Boniface VIII wrote the following:<BR/><BR/>"When, in the wars between your father Henry and Simon de Montfort, he requested the assistance of Alexander III, King of Scotland, he acknowledged by letters patent that received such assistance, not as due to him, but as a special favor. Moreover, when you yourself invited King Alexander to attend your coronation, you made the request as a matter of favor and not of right. When the King of Scotland rendered homage to you for his lands in Tynedale and Penrith, he publicly protested it was rendered not for his Kingdom, but for these lands only, since, as King of Scotland, he was independent. Yea, further, when Alexander III died, leaving an heiress to his Crown, a granddaughter in her minority, the wardship of this infant was not given to you, which it would have been if you had been Lord Superior, but is was given to certain nobles of Scotland elected for the office."<BR/><BR/>The Scottish representatives reaffirmed that in all conflicts between independent kingdoms, "it is to their equal superior, the Church of Rome, that recourse should be had."<BR/><BR/>Source: Oestreich, Thomas, et. al. The Catholic Encyclopedia. Vol. II. (New York: The Encyclopedia Press, 1913) 662.<BR/><BR/>Fr. ArcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12175305.post-1145272367303334632006-04-17T06:12:00.000-05:002006-04-17T06:12:00.000-05:00Father,Thanks for your comments clarifying the exc...Father,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your comments clarifying the excommunication of the Bruce. Yes, murdering your political rival in a church is definitely frowned upon by the heirarchy!<BR/><BR/>I'd like to find the text of that letter from Boniface VIII. That would have been an interesting exchange!Matthew Newsome, FSA Scot, GTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15512402194674318196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12175305.post-1145269818221740692006-04-17T05:30:00.000-05:002006-04-17T05:30:00.000-05:00Matt:The reason Robert Bruce was excommunicated by...Matt:<BR/><BR/>The reason Robert Bruce was excommunicated by Pope Clement V was because of the part he played in the murder of John "the Red" Comyn, Lord of Badenoch, in the church of the Grey Friars in Dumfries. It was not because of the rebellion against England. In fact, after Edward I invaded Scotland again, 1300, Pope Boniface VIII wrote a letter to King Edward I to remind him that he was not the overlord of Scotland. Edward replied that the pope had no business in telling him what rights over what country were his or not.<BR/><BR/>So, the Bruce was excommunicated because of the sacrilegious murder that took place in Dumfries, not because of a rebellion by Bruce.<BR/><BR/>Fr. ArcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com